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Freeway ya confeso en él ultimo foro sobre recursos naturales que consideraba muy bueno moral y apropiado mentir cada vez que fuera necesario para “darse cartel”, también admira y respalda este individuo a quienes mienten en sus libros, repiten mentiras cambiando los datos, sin explicación en ediciones posteriores cuando sus mentiras originales quedan al descubierto, “para darse cartel que se hace” en tal sentido cualquier afirmación de freeway. Mentir, usar datos falsos, exagerar, plagiar y falsear al contrario, todo eso esta bien para apoyar las mentiras y sandeces de freeway y sus admirados eco mentirosos, según el mismo freeway.
En tal sentido, toda información que este individuo coloque por escrito como apoyo a su opinión, debe ser considerada falsa y es inútil y absurdo responderla o considerarla en forma alguna.
Después de todo fue él el que escribió que usar datos falsos intencionalmente es bueno para siempre y cuando sea para “su” causa. Cualquiera que él considere buena, no porque lo sea, sino porque en sus mentiras y falsedades llega a tal conclusión.
Lo de Holanda es otra mentira lanzada sin pensar siquiera. Este individuo freeway es repugnante.

Coincido con lo de Holanda. Y si querés ver la filosofía de lo que es un partido liberal por esas latitudes -y no el conservadurismo disfrazado que hay por estos lares-, pego las bases del partido D66 de ese país (me habría gustado pegarlas en castellano pero sólo las encontré en inglés... o en holandés):

D66 puts the onus on people: free, involved, equal and responsible. We strive for a democratic, durable and open society, in which individual freedom is as self-evident as social cohesion; a society in which citizens want to and can take responsibility for themselves and their environment; a society in which work, personal development, free time and care can be combined well. D66 wants to actively create opportunities for people to use their talents and apply their know-how. D66 has faith in the decisions people take about what is dear to them. D66 practises practical and result-oriented politics based on its ideals, without blueprints or dogmas. Social decision-making must be verifiable and transparent. D66 is progressive and wants to use social developments to work on such a society; borders have no significance in this.
D66 wants to keep making it possible for people to make their own choices. That is our democratic perspective, that's what we call social-liberal.

FREE, RESPONSIBLE, INVOLVED AND EQUAL
D66 wants the freedom for everyone to develop in their own way and to live by their own standards and values. First, spiritual freedom such as expressed in the choice of ideology and political opinions, in the uncensored practise of science and art, in the unalienable right to the freedom of speech. And following on from that the freedom of lifestyle and the manner of living (together), naturally expressing our own sexual inclination. Self-determination over our own body, such as with euthanasia and abortion, is self-evident for D66 as is the free choice of where, by whom and with what we choose to be treated to remain as healthy as possible.

More is needed for free, personal development than the formal, liberal freedoms. Personal freedom must be given content. That is why social-liberals create a social framework for society, such as high-quality and accessible health care and education in a well-functioning constitutional state which provides safety, work and social security. What's needed for that is sustainable development towards a society pleasant to live in, now and in the future. Society must create conditions for personal development. This above all applies for less privileged groups at home and abroad, for current and future generations. Mutual involvement is needed to make this development possible for all citizens. Involvement means responsibility and respect for yourself and others, for the community. Involvement also means responsibility for sustainable development. Freedom and being involved are the two sides of the social-liberal coin.

D66 cherishes the differences between people and the diversity of their opinions and considers them to be a source of social renewal. The starting point of equality of people goes much further than simply tolerating other opinions, cultures and preferences. In addition to tolerance and respect for others people's way of life, equality also means that multiformity is experienced as an enrichment of life and a condition for creativity and productivity. However, tolerance ends where tolerance itself is violated, where the fundamental equality of people is denied and where violence and force want to take the place of freedom and justice.

MAN AND SOCIETY: EVERY VOTE COUNTS
D66 opposes a high-handed style of government. Politics, democratic decision-making by all the involved citizens together should make the societal rules. It makes rules where necessary and permits freedom where possible. Society must create the conditions in which citizens can and want to have faith in each other in and outside the home. The government guarantees the constitutional state and public order because a democracy can only function well if individuals' safety is guaranteed.

The organisation and regulation of the public administration must be so unambiguous and transparent, that everyone can participate in it and ensure that it is working properly. The government must be reliable and verifiable. Its integrity and lack of prejudice must be above any suspicion. It is not only up to the government to create the necessary facilities; that is the task of the whole of society. Initiatives of citizens, of their organisations and of the market are needed and wanted; prompted by social involvement and stimulated by economic motives.

Democracy is not simply about the will of the majority. The quality of a democracy is demonstrated by the way in which the opinions of the minority are dealt with. D66 feels that every vote counts in reaching at good solutions with broad support. Democracy not only relates to the relations between citizens and the government. Maximum influence and participation of involved citizens are needed for all the social institutions. That means free and equal access to knowledge and information for everyone. Only by participating in the information society can the citizen find his way in the 21st century. D66 wants to further prepare society for the information society.

D66 opts for a direct democracy, not top-down but bottom-up. Citizens' initiatives must be stimulated and supported where possible. Joint-ventures between the citizen, government and market at all levels of society ensure involvement in the democracy. That means a market which offers people real choices: a market without monopolies.

Our society does not end at our country's borders or those of Europe. Having respect for cultural diversity, D66 stands for the international sharing of knowledge, experience and means. Democracy, reducing poverty and combating violations of universal human rights have priority for D66. People who flee from injustice must be able to find a place with us.

PROGRESSIVE
Changes are following each other at high speed. Not only in technology and organisation: in standards and values too. And that requires future-oriented policies. A government which does not curb but stimulates. A radically democratised public administration which constantly adapts to the ever-changing demands of society. D66 aims for sustainable development. The way of living today should not be at the expense of tomorrow's society. Sustainability is a condition for economic development. A balance must be found between man's well-being, respect for Nature, preservation of a liveable world and sufficient economic welfare. This generation is responsible for ensuring that it and future generations can live in a world in which the diversity of man and nature is the rule.

D66 concentrates on renewal and progress. As a future-oriented party it is our task to define the main issues of tomorrow as precisely as possible and to look for concrete solutions. That means putting politics into practice in an open and pragmatic way in which arguments are assessed on their value and are evenly weighed up in the context of the problem.

(y estas ideas no son marginales: hace unos años, en un sistema multipartidario como el holandés, donde se gana con el 25% de los votos, D66 llegó a sacar casi el 15%; en las últimas elecciones sacaron menos (5%) pero sigue siendo más que razonable).

¿Antagonismo de clase en EEUU? Si me hubieran preguntado cuál país del mundo -desarrollado- tenía menos antagonismo de clase habría dicho EEUU... No hay partidos de clase, los sindicatos ni se comparan con los de Europa, no hay huelgas paralizando el país...

O sea, que prefieres la esclavitud a la libertad. No es sorprendente, es una posición muy extendida y de rancia estirpe intelectual; lo molesto es que usurpéis el nombre de la libertad.

El capitalismo no es establemente monopolista excepto por intervención estatal, lo que no es liberal precisamente. "Libertad económica" es la libertad de poseer tu propiedad sin que te la arrebaten, y de hacer con ella lo que te salga de las narices mientras no dañes a otras personas. Lo que muchos socialistas llaman "libertad económica" se llama "riqueza", que es muy diferente, pero además es falso que el liberalismo acabe con ella; al contrario.

Uno de esos "pocos" países donde la represión del movimiento obrero fue más feroz que en los USA o Inglaterra fue tu paraíso socialista de la Unión Soviética, como no podía ser menos; pues ¿para qué sirve una huelga cuando los obreros ya han alcanzado el poder? Evidentemente esos supuestos "sindicalistas" que la instigan son traidores o agentes enemigos; no hay piedad para ellos. Por cierto, lo de la "igualdad a todos los niveles de un país socialista" sería de risa si no fuera de llorar. Te aconsejo más bien la igualdad del nivel más alto: eran los más iguales de todos.

No te preocupes Martin, a algunos solo le interesa el mercado como objetivo politico, mas del desarrollo muy poco.

Esta lista me gusta más. Noruega, Islandia y Suecia, vaya, vaya, los tan denostados socialdemócratas parece que mal del todo no lo hicieron ¿eh?

Me llama la atención el puesto de Perú (82!!!), muy por detrás de Cuba (52). Realmente no pensé que Perú estuviera tan mal. Quiza podamos comprender mejor a Mansuetti...

¿Y Mexico? ¡¡el 55!! ¡¡detrás de Cuba!! Una relacion privilegiada con EEUU, ayudas de todo tipo, y están detras de una país totalmente bloqueado, sin riquezas naturales, con una dictadura, etc. No quiero justificar el regimen de Cuba, pero no vendría mal recordar que a Cuba debe medirsele en comparación a los países Centroamericanos, y que, aunque quede feo decirlo, en este contexto es un pais casi privilegiado. Ya quisieran los ciudadanos de Haití, de Guatemala, de El Salvador, vivir en un país que, cierto que es pobre y no hay grandes lujos, pero los niños y niñas pueden estudiar, e incluso ir a la Universidad con independencia de su status social, y si se ponen enfermos saben que le van a atender buenos médicos. Y los cubanos de raza negra saben que no se les va a discriminar por el color de su piel en ningun caso. La situación de Cuba solo es mala si la comparamos con la de EEUU, o la de Europa occidental. Pero por lo demás, y visto lo visto por el mundo, digamos que Cuba no es de los peores lugares para vivir.

Por otro lado resulta que los territorios de Palentina estan en el 98, ¡¡casi como Turquía!! No está mal, la verdad. Conseguir aunque sea un minimo desarrollo humano en Palestina, pienso que es de un merito increible